As the temperature begins to drop and many of us reach for the ignition switch on our gas heaters, it is essential to first take the time to check that our chosen products are safe for use and comply with the necessary British Standards and regulations. As with all gas appliances we recommend servicing the heater on a regular basis by a qualified technician, in line with the instructions provided by the manufacturer In addition to this, we would also advise that the appliance’s regulator is replaced every 10 years to ensure it is functioning correctly, while a regular inspection of your hose should be carried out to look for any signs of cracking or general wear and tear. Your hose should be replaced a minimum of every 5 years, however if any signs of damage appear it should be changed immediately. Once your heater is securely connected to your gas bottle and ready for use, it is important to make sure that it is operated safely.
The following points outline the main considerations to think about when using your gas heater this winter:. Always turn your heater off before going to bed or leaving your property. Ensure all the component parts of your unit are well maintained e.g. The heater, regulator hose, hose connectors. Do not use aerosols or flammable cleaning liquids or sprays in close proximity to the heater.
Avoid sitting or standing too close to your heater. Always ensure that the room in use is well ventilated; if it becomes stuffy open windows and doors to allow fresh air in immediately. Always follow manufacturer guidelines carefully. Ensure that the position of your heater is away from any flammable materials and is not blocking any escape routes. Never place clothes or other items over your heater. Do not move your unit whilst it is in use.
If you suspect a gas leak or there is a fire follow our. Carbon Monoxide is a colourless and odourless gas that can go completely unnoticed but can cause serious illness or in severe cases death due to poisoning. Therefore it is extremely important that precautions are taken to ensure that your heater is functioning correctly within the right environment to avoid any problems. For further information on Carbon Monoxide and advice on what to do if you suspect a release visit our If your heater requires a service or general health check to ensure it is functioning correctly ahead of the colder months, please do not hesitate to contact us on 03457 234 432.
Unique 'easy click' bottle connection for the Heat Cube Portable gas heater The Cube Gas bottle is for use with the portable heater only. Cylinder refill agreement When buying a Cube Gas bottle from us for the first time, you’ll be subject to a new cylinder refill agreement costing £29.99. If you do not have a gas bottle to exchange, this cost will be automatically added to your order when you checkout.
This cylinder refill agreement charge is £29.99, £10 less than our regular cylinder refill agreement of £39.99, a £10 discount will be shown in the basket. The charge will be added for each bottle you purchase without an empty counterpart to exchange or if the bottle is not within the same group as your previous policy. More details can be found on the Spec.
When you buy a gas cylinder from us, you’ll be asked to pay for and agree to the Calor Cylinder Refill Agreement which legally states that the cylinder always remains the property of Calor Gas. When it’s empty, you can simply exchange it for a pre-filled cylinder within the same category group, details of which can be found below. If however, you don’t want another cylinder, you can simply return the empty one in good condition and receive a partial refund on the cost of the refill agreement, which is worked out on a sliding scale.
Full details of the Cylinder Refill Agreement can be found below so please spend a few minutes familiarising yourself with it to make sure that you understand exactly what the agreement covers and that you’re happy with the terms. Cylinder Refill Agreement terms In these conditions, “Company” means Calor Gas Limited, and “CALOR Outlet” means any CALOR Centers, Dealers, Retailers, Stockists or other supply points approved by the Company. “CALOR” is the Registered Trademark of Calor Gas Limited. “Refill Agreement Charge” means the Refill Agreement Charge included in your order or where you are exchanging a cylinder this refers to the charge previously paid for the first issue of the cylinder(s). “User” means the customer named on the online order form who is party to a Cylinder Refill Agreement (“the Agreement”).
Purpose of the Refill Agreement Charge In consideration for the Refill Agreement Charge, the Company agrees to refill the Calor Cylinder(s) (“Cylinder(s)”) included in your order with supplies of CALOR gas (“Gas”) during the currency of this Agreement. The Company will fulfill its obligation to refill the Cylinder by providing the User with a pre-filled Cylinder in exchange for the empty Cylinder, but reserves the right to refill the Cylinder by any other means. A Cylinder(s) can only be exchanged for a similar replacement refill Cylinder(s) within the same category as the current Cylinder(s), otherwise a new Agreement is required. Please see our exchange policy for further details about exchanging Cylinder(s). Future supplies of Gas In entering into this Agreement the User also understands that he/she will pay additional sums at the prevailing rate for the Gas contained in the Cylinder and for all future supplies of Gas as and when the Cylinder is refilled in accordance with paragraph 1. Cylinders remain the property of the Company at all times and may only be filled by the Company The company makes the cylinder(s) available to the user as a means of safely transporting and storing the gas supplied. This agreement is not a rental agreement and it does not provide the user with title in the cylinder.
The user will not part with possession or control of the cylinder(s) (other than to a CALOR outlet) nor claim to have any rights that conflict with this agreement, nor create or purport or attempt to create any agency or bailment in relation to the cylinder(s) or to the user’s obligations. Use of Cylinders Cylinders may be used only as a container for Gas and not be sold, exchanged (other than for the Purpose of the Agreement), hired, assigned, transferred, mortgaged, lent, abandoned, nor damaged, decanted, filled or tampered with. The Company’s rights over the Cylinders The User is liable for the safe storage and use of Cylinder(s) and the safety of any equipment used with them but the Company may inspect or test Cylinder(s) and any fittings used with them at any time and remove and replace Cylinder(s) if defective, or for any other reason, but without the Company being under any obligation to do so.
In any case of wilful damage or breach of this Agreement the Company may repossess Cylinder(s) immediately and the User by entering into this Agreement irrevocably authorises the Company or their agent to enter on the User’s property for these purposes and in that event this Agreement is terminated. The Company may charge the User for loss of use of a Cylinder, in the event of loss or damage to the Cylinder but this charge shall not give the User any rights in the Cylinder. Unless the Company, at its discretion, decides otherwise, the User will forfeit any rights or benefits conferred upon this by this Agreement. Statutory obligations The Company will comply with all statutory and appropriate Code of Practice requirements in respect of Cylinders but this shall not mean that the Company has any obligation to maintain in good condition Cylinders which ate in the User’s possession. Termination by the User This Agreement remains in force for 50 years. The User may terminate this Agreement by returning the Cylinder(s) in good order to a CALOR Outlet nominated for this purpose and shall be entitled on presenting this Agreement to a refund of a proportion of the Refill Agreement Charge as follows: 1 year old 70% refund 2 year old 60% refund 3 year old 50% refund 4 year old 45% refund 5 year old 40% refund 6 year old 35% refund 7 years old 30% refund Over 7 years 25% refund 8.
Termination by the Company This Agreement may be terminated by the Company in the event of any act of insolvency or breach of this Agreement on the part of the User. Delivery Where a Cylinder is to be delivered to the User the Company may use an agent for this purpose. Other This Agreement is governed by and constructed in accordance with English Law.
VAT and any other applicable taxes will be charged at the appropriate rates. The handy diagram below is to help you understand which gas bottles you are eligible to exchange for your empty one. It is free of charge, if you already have a Cylinder Refill Agreement.
There are six gas bottle groups as shown below. You can exchange a gas bottle within the group, without having to pay for an extra Cylinder Refill Agreement. If you wish to exchange your gas bottle, for a bottle in another group, then your purchase will be subject to an extra Cylinder Refill Agreement at an additional cost shown in table below. To exchange a gas bottle online, please visit the gas bottle section of our and your local Calor stockist will deliver your order, direct to your door.
Delivery charges Mainland UK delivery FREE Remote UK locations £8 Gas cylinder delivery (if applicable) £5 Appliance delivery 3-4 working days. This is not guaranteed during bank holidays or over the Christmas period. Gas cylinder orders Orders containing gas bottles will receive the gas delivery separately due to gas transportation restrictions. We aim to deliver gas cylinders within 2-3 working days by your local Calor stockist, the details of which will be provided in your order confirmation email following the purchase. Please have any empty gas bottles available for exchange if applicable. Any order without a gas bottle to exchange is subject to a cylinder refill agreement prior to delivery. Cylinder refill agreement When buying a gas bottle from us for the first time, you’ll be subject to a new cylinder refill agreement costing from £29.99, depending which of the five groups your gas bottle is in.
If you do not have a gas bottle to exchange, this cost will be automatically added to your order when you checkout. The charge will be added for each bottle you purchase without an empty counterpart to exchange or if the bottle is not within the same group as your previous policy. More details can be found on the Gas bottle exchange policy page. Network adapter driver windows 7.
Please note: For safety reasons, we are unable to deliver gas bottles to basement properties, residences above a 3rd floor or any residences in buildings with 5 floors or more. Returns Returned goods must be unused and supplied with their original packaging, unless the goods are faulty. To arrange a return please contact us within 30 days of receiving the goods by email [email protected] or by phone 08. Which gas bottle? When you buy a gas cylinder from us, you’ll be asked to pay for and agree to the Calor Cylinder Refill Agreement which legally states that the cylinder always remains the property of Calor Gas.
When it’s empty, you can simply exchange it for a pre-filled cylinder within the same category group, details of which can be found below. If however, you don’t want another cylinder, you can simply return the empty one in good condition and receive a partial refund on the cost of the refill agreement, which is worked out on a sliding scale. Full details of the Cylinder Refill Agreement can be found below so please spend a few minutes familiarising yourself with it to make sure that you understand exactly what the agreement covers and that you’re happy with the terms. Cylinder Refill Agreement terms In these conditions, “Company” means Calor Gas Limited, and “CALOR Outlet” means any CALOR Centers, Dealers, Retailers, Stockists or other supply points approved by the Company. “CALOR” is the Registered Trademark of Calor Gas Limited.
“Refill Agreement Charge” means the Refill Agreement Charge included in your order or where you are exchanging a cylinder this refers to the charge previously paid for the first issue of the cylinder(s). “User” means the customer named on the online order form who is party to a Cylinder Refill Agreement (“the Agreement”). Purpose of the Refill Agreement Charge In consideration for the Refill Agreement Charge, the Company agrees to refill the Calor Cylinder(s) (“Cylinder(s)”) included in your order with supplies of CALOR gas (“Gas”) during the currency of this Agreement. The Company will fulfill its obligation to refill the Cylinder by providing the User with a pre-filled Cylinder in exchange for the empty Cylinder, but reserves the right to refill the Cylinder by any other means.
A Cylinder(s) can only be exchanged for a similar replacement refill Cylinder(s) within the same category as the current Cylinder(s), otherwise a new Agreement is required. Please see our exchange policy for further details about exchanging Cylinder(s). Future supplies of Gas In entering into this Agreement the User also understands that he/she will pay additional sums at the prevailing rate for the Gas contained in the Cylinder and for all future supplies of Gas as and when the Cylinder is refilled in accordance with paragraph 1. Cylinders remain the property of the Company at all times and may only be filled by the Company The company makes the cylinder(s) available to the user as a means of safely transporting and storing the gas supplied.
This agreement is not a rental agreement and it does not provide the user with title in the cylinder. The user will not part with possession or control of the cylinder(s) (other than to a CALOR outlet) nor claim to have any rights that conflict with this agreement, nor create or purport or attempt to create any agency or bailment in relation to the cylinder(s) or to the user’s obligations. Use of Cylinders Cylinders may be used only as a container for Gas and not be sold, exchanged (other than for the Purpose of the Agreement), hired, assigned, transferred, mortgaged, lent, abandoned, nor damaged, decanted, filled or tampered with.
The Company’s rights over the Cylinders The User is liable for the safe storage and use of Cylinder(s) and the safety of any equipment used with them but the Company may inspect or test Cylinder(s) and any fittings used with them at any time and remove and replace Cylinder(s) if defective, or for any other reason, but without the Company being under any obligation to do so. In any case of wilful damage or breach of this Agreement the Company may repossess Cylinder(s) immediately and the User by entering into this Agreement irrevocably authorises the Company or their agent to enter on the User’s property for these purposes and in that event this Agreement is terminated. The Company may charge the User for loss of use of a Cylinder, in the event of loss or damage to the Cylinder but this charge shall not give the User any rights in the Cylinder. Unless the Company, at its discretion, decides otherwise, the User will forfeit any rights or benefits conferred upon this by this Agreement. Statutory obligations The Company will comply with all statutory and appropriate Code of Practice requirements in respect of Cylinders but this shall not mean that the Company has any obligation to maintain in good condition Cylinders which ate in the User’s possession.
Termination by the User This Agreement remains in force for 50 years. The User may terminate this Agreement by returning the Cylinder(s) in good order to a CALOR Outlet nominated for this purpose and shall be entitled on presenting this Agreement to a refund of a proportion of the Refill Agreement Charge as follows: 1 year old 70% refund 2 year old 60% refund 3 year old 50% refund 4 year old 45% refund 5 year old 40% refund 6 year old 35% refund 7 years old 30% refund Over 7 years 25% refund 8. Termination by the Company This Agreement may be terminated by the Company in the event of any act of insolvency or breach of this Agreement on the part of the User. Delivery Where a Cylinder is to be delivered to the User the Company may use an agent for this purpose.
Other This Agreement is governed by and constructed in accordance with English Law. VAT and any other applicable taxes will be charged at the appropriate rates. The handy diagram below is to help you understand which gas bottles you are eligible to exchange for your empty one. It is free of charge, if you already have a Cylinder Refill Agreement. There are six gas bottle groups as shown below. You can exchange a gas bottle within the group, without having to pay for an extra Cylinder Refill Agreement. If you wish to exchange your gas bottle, for a bottle in another group, then your purchase will be subject to an extra Cylinder Refill Agreement at an additional cost shown in table below.
To exchange a gas bottle online, please visit the gas bottle section of our and your local Calor stockist will deliver your order, direct to your door.
I read in?Caravan Club magazine recently about 'Le Cube' gas bottles that are available in France. I seem to recollect that if you buy one of these bottles, together with the correct regulator, you can use this in your older motorhome i.e. Those with a flexible hose from the regulator to the gas pipe in the locker. This means that you will never run out of gas - in France! At present, I carry a couple of empty Camping Gaz bottles, just in case. Am I correct in this understanding?
Can these bottles be bought elsewhere in Europe, or are they only available in France? We go abroad for 3-4 months, and whilst we travel through France on out way out and back again, we do have long periods out of that country. I could travel out with just one Calor bottle and buy a 'Le Cube' bottle on our journey out through France, but only if it can be exchanged in other European countries. I am confident that amongst you motorcaravanners there will be someone who has already used these bottles and can give expert advice! Thanking you in anticipation. Colin Robinson. Posted: 4 January 2008 4:28 PM Subject: RE: 'Le Cube' gas bottles Treasured contributor Posts: 812 Location: Glynneath South Wales.
Hi, Short answer Is 'Dunno'. But I bought a couple of bottles in France, which I think were Le Cube, about €50 for pair including free regulator. But the regulator won't fit my Calor bottles, so there was a bit of cutting and Jubilee Clipping. I think that no EU regulator will fit a UK bottle, and vice-versa. Please somebody, come up with a solution.
Possibly, just possibly, Camping Gaz is international, does anybody know? Gaz bottles can be bought from Intermarche, but seen to be about €5 more that Le Cube (about €12 exchange). Come on, surely somebody can think of a viable solution Posted: 4 January 2008 5:36 PM Subject: RE: 'Le Cube' gas bottles Keeps coming back for more Posts: 155. Crob - 2008-01-04 11:30 AM I read in?Caravan Club magazine recently about 'Le Cube' gas bottles that are available in France. I seem to recollect that if you buy one of these bottles, together with the correct regulator, you can use this in your older motorhome i.e. Those with a flexible hose from the regulator to the gas pipe in the locker. This means that you will never run out of gas - in France!
At present, I carry a couple of empty Camping Gaz bottles, just in case. Am I correct in this understanding? Can these bottles be bought elsewhere in Europe, or are they only available in France?
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We go abroad for 3-4 months, and whilst we travel through France on out way out and back again, we do have long periods out of that country. I could travel out with just one Calor bottle and buy a 'Le Cube' bottle on our journey out through France, but only if it can be exchanged in other European countries. I am confident that amongst you motorcaravanners there will be someone who has already used these bottles and can give expert advice! Thanking you in anticipation. Colin Robinson. Best place to start is the size of bottle your gas locker will take. If it will take two 13Kg bottles it would be cheaper take a 13Kg UK Calor (or similar) and buy a French 13Kg as you pass through.
Since so many European journeys involve at least dipping into France, exchanging the French bottle on a future trip is not too onerous and, when the UK bottle runs out, that is easily changed while in UK. However, if your locker won't take 13Kg bottles, you are faced with much more frequent changes, and things don't work so well. So far as I am aware, Camping Gaz is the only bottle that can be exchanged across Euro frontiers, but they are expensive compared to any others. A standard French 13Kg cylinder (several brands, Primagaz, Butagaz, Totalgaz, Antargaz: butane or propane) is about 600mm high and 310mm diameter and weighs around 25Kg full (13Kg gas). There are then Twiny, Le Cube and Viseo bottles. Twiny (Primagaz) is 310mm diameter and 310mm tall, weighs 13Kg full of which 5.1Kg is gas. These are designed to allow stacking, in which condition both can be connected - i.e 'on line'.
Propane or Butane. Similar bottles are marketed by Elf-Antar (Elfi) and Totalgaz (Malice). Le Cube (Butagaz) is approximately 285mm square by 355mm high. Weighs 14Kg full, of which 7 Kg is gas. Propane or Butane.
Viseo (Butagaz) is squarish, about 310mm wide by 500mm high. Weighs 16.5Kg full, of which 10Kg is gas.
It has a semi transparent panel in the side allowing the gas level to be seen. It is butane only at present.
Can't advise availability of the tiddlers, but the 13Kg are widely available from supermarkets and filling stations. Butagaz seems to be very widely available across France, as does Primagaz. Totalgaz and Antargaz are less widely distributed, usually through their respective chains of filling stations. You might find things a bit easier if you installed a fixed 30mbar regulator in your gas locker in lieu of the bottle mounted regulators. You can then just swap the pigtails to suit the different bottles. The UK Propane is the trick pigtail, the French Propane connection is the same as UK Butane connection.
As with UK, whichever brand you get it cannot (legally) be refilled, only exchanged, and you cannot swap one brand's bottle at another brand's outlet. Hope this helps. Posted: 4 January 2008 9:01 PM Subject: RE: 'Le Cube' gas bottles Epic contributor Posts: 1176 Location: Horsham West Sussex. 2003 Fiat Rapido 2.3 jtd 709F. These are some earlier forum threads that may be of interest: A Le Cube container's gas capacity is actually 5kg(propane) or 6kg(butane).
Received wisdom is that a leisure-vehicle gas system that uses a 28mbar(butane) or 37mbar(propane) 'on-bottle' regulator should NOT be converted to use a 30mbar regulator ('fixed' or on-bottle) instead. The justification for this advice is that conversion to 30mbar introduces an unknown factor as to whether appliances (heaters, ovens, fridges, etc.) designed for the 28mbar/37mbar standard will function safely at a 30mbar pressure, particularly regarding correct gas combustion. Posted: 5 January 2008 10:23 AM Subject: RE: 'Le Cube' gas bottles Gets involved Posts: 292 Location: Banbury, Oxon. I use Le Cube while in France and like the fact that it is available at more outlets than any other brand and it is available in Butane and Propane. The 13kg bottles work out cheaper but for me it was a case of horses for courses. One other thing that may only apply to me was the ability to store my hose, toilet chemical and other soft items in the gas locker on top of the Le cube.
You will be given free or very cheap a regulator for the Le Cube, in November the deposit on Le cube was only 5 euros. Bill Ord Posted: 5 January 2008 10:51 AM Subject: RE: 'Le Cube' gas bottles. Reference Brians part of post 'You might find things a bit easier if you installed a fixed 30mbar regulator in your gas locker in lieu of the bottle mounted regulators. You can then just swap the pigtails to suit the different bottles. The UK Propane is the trick pigtail, the French Propane connection is the same as UK Butane connection. As with UK, whichever brand you get it cannot (legally) be refilled, only exchanged, and you cannot swap one brand's bottle at another brand's outlet. Hope this helps.'
Derek Uzzell - 2008-01-05 8:42 AM Received wisdom is that a leisure-vehicle gas system that uses a 28mbar(butane) or 37mbar(propane) 'on-bottle' regulator should NOT be converted to use a 30mbar regulator ('fixed' or on-bottle) instead. The justification for this advice is that conversion to 30mbar introduces an unknown factor as to whether appliances (heaters, ovens, fridges, etc.) designed for the 28mbar/37mbar standard will function safely at a 30mbar pressure, particularly regarding correct gas combustion. Derek is quite correct that you should not change to 30mb,(not good practise if the appliances are not 30mb rated) however there would be no problem changing to Gaslows bulkhead mounted regulators of the appropriate pressure rating, available in both Butane or Propane, that also allow the use of 'pig tails' so possibly help with the question. Bas Edited by Basil 2008-01-05 10:51 AM Tracker Posted: 5 January 2008 1:33 PM Subject: RE: 'Le Cube' gas bottles. All makes sense as long as the appropriate pigtail for connecting to a bulkhead regulator is available at, or close to, the same sites as the French gas bottles and 'bottle fitted' regulators? Or, if we are positive that it will fit, buy a UK butane pigtail before leaving home?
Assuming that to be the case I would be inclined to go for the most widely available French exchange bottle, having left home with just one full Calor bottle on board, and buy a French bottle as soon as possible after arriving in France to conserve the Calor? I suppose the same theory applies to Spain re gas bottles and pigtails but does anyone know whether the UK pigtails will fit Spanish, or any other country's bottles? As 'vans are sold all over Europe I guess a pigtail relevant to that country should, in theory, be available at caravan accessory shops in each country? I doubt the market is large enough for anyone to make and sell an adapter to fit twixt a UK pigtail and the bottles specific to each country? Would seem to be the most cost effective way to solve the gas problem? Edited by Tracker 2008-01-05 1:34 PM Posted: 5 January 2008 3:46 PM Subject: RE: 'Le Cube' gas bottles Location: East Sussex.
Motorhome: Knaus Boxstar 600 Street. Derek Uzzell - 2008-01-05 8:42 AM.Received wisdom is that a leisure-vehicle gas system that uses a 28mbar(butane) or 37mbar(propane) 'on-bottle' regulator should NOT be converted to use a 30mbar regulator ('fixed' or on-bottle) instead. The justification for this advice is that conversion to 30mbar introduces an unknown factor as to whether appliances (heaters, ovens, fridges, etc.) designed for the 28mbar/37mbar standard will function safely at a 30mbar pressure, particularly regarding correct gas combustion. Quite correct. Thanks Derek. Looking back, I realise I omitted the caution to check the suitability of the existing appliances for 30 mbar operation before altering their operating pressure. Basil's alternative seems the better solution, though, so that the existing system operating pressure/fuel can be maintained.
Thank you Basil/Gaslow. Gaslow also do a neat little automatic changeover valve, with indicator, so that you wouldn't need to paddle outside in the middle of a wet night when the service bottle runs out. Posted: 5 January 2008 7:04 PM Subject: RE: 'Le Cube' gas bottles Location: Herefordshire - 2015 Rapido 640F LHD 2.3ltr 150bhp.
Gaslow's product brochure defines which of their 'pigtails' will be needed to fit particular countries' gas bottles. So, if we start with the pigtail that will screw on to a UK 4.5kg Calor butane bottle, this will attach directly to any French bottle (butane or propane) having the traditional French threaded connection. The same pigtail can be used with 20mm or 27mm clip-on adapters, or with a 'Jumbo' adapter, to connect to other French bottles and to gas containers marketed in Spain, Portugal, Southern Ireland or Norway. An adapter for Campingaz bottles can also be fitted to this pigtail. It would seem from the Gaslow brochure that connecting to an Italian bottle would require a different pigtail, but this could also be used with Greek bottles. Sweden requires a unique pigtail, while a pigtail suitable for connection to a German bottle will also fit Dutch bottles. My own gut-feeling is that, if your motorhome has a system with a UK 28mbar or 37mbar regulator attaching directly to the gas bottle, then maximum flexibility abroad is likely to be obtained by just replacing the UK regulator with the appropriate 'foreign' 28mbar or 37mbar regulator.
If you modify the system to include a 28mbar or 37mbar fixed regulator, then you'll be restricting yourself to either butane or propane. My experience (in France) is that, while it's easy to lay one's hands on a propane or butane on-bottle regulator (sold in most supermarkets and hardware stores), it's a lot harder to obtain a pigtail as these are normally only available from caravan/motorhome dealerships. It will also be the case that, although you may well get a cheap/free regulator as part of the deal when you obtain a foreign gas bottle, you won't get a cheap/free pigtail. Adapters are available to convert regulators/pigtails from one national standard to another - for example, to allow a French bottle to be used on a leisure-vehicle having a German or UK(propane) system, or to use certain non-French bottles on a leisure-vehicle having a French system.
Caravan Club members may also remember, some months back, an advert in the CC magazine offering a set of adapters that would convert a UK regulator or pigtail with the traditional POL propane threaded connector to permit a range of foreign bottles to be employed. The adapter-set was not cheap (about £100 I think) and, despite claiming universality, certainly wouldn't cover all the gas bottles marketed outside the UK. As long as motorcaravanners are aware of the potential problems they face if they need to obtain gas abroad, then they can pick an appropriate strategy. What this will be will depend on various criteria (your motorhome's gas system, its gas-locker capacity, the countries you intend to visit, how long you will be abroad, whether you use 230V hook-ups, whether you winter or summer camp, etc.) and personal preference. Bill Ord's use of Le Cube would suit me too, but I actually employ a refillable bottle that's a hang-over from my previous motorhome into which a Le Cube wouldn't fit. Posted: 6 January 2008 2:27 PM Subject: RE: 'Le Cube' gas bottles Gets involved Posts: 292 Location: Banbury, Oxon.
Hi crob, Not quite, the 'pigtail' is the term given to the preproduced length of pipe that is connected between the cylinder and the more modern type of fixed regulator. That is the modern system does not have the regulator on the cylinder but has it fixed to the motorhome, normally on the adjacent bulkhead, and then the 'pigtail' is a high pressure hose that transports the gas from the cylinder to the regulator, hence you can see that with this type of system ANY type of cylinder may be used with a pigtail having an appropriate cylinder end connection, all regulator end connections being the same. Hope that clarifies. Bas Edited by Basil 2008-01-07 11:57 AM Posted: 7 January 2008 7:01 PM Subject: RE: 'Le Cube' gas bottles Having a look around Posts: 24 Location: W. Sussex Land Rover 130 Camper Conversion. A follow-up to Bill Ord's comments.
My previous motorhome was a 1996-built Herald with the 'old' UK-standard gas system employing an on-bottle regulator (28mbar pressure for butane or 37mbar for propane) that connected to the vehicle's metal gas pipework with a flexible hose. I contemplated altering the system to use a bulkhead-mounted 30mbar regulator with a flexible 'pigtail' connecting to the gas bottle.
Despite repeated warnings in the leisure-vehicle press that this plan was unwise, I didn't think it would cause genuine difficulties. There were a couple of reasons for this view. The first was that Truma had (for a good few years before UK-built motorhomes had 30mbar systems) been marketing in the UK the 'Triomatic' automatic bottle-changeover system. This was based round a 30mbar regulator (the German-standard pressure) and, although Truma's installation instructions advised that Triomatic should only be fitted to leisure-vehicles with gas appliances designed for 30mbar, I knew this caveat hadn't stopped the system being installed by DIY-inclined motorcaravanners. In fact, in 1999, MMM itself had published a 'motorhome-improvement' article that had involved fitting Triomatic to a mature Autoquest that plainly would have had a 28/37mbar system. No mention had been made in the article about gas pressure incompatibility and, as there had been nothing later about consequential problems, I assumed there hadn't been any.
The second reason was that, when I checked the specifications for the Herald's heater, hob, oven and fridge, all except the last had gas-pressure tolerance-ranges for butane and propane that would easily include the use of either gas at 30mbar. Only the Electrolux fridge seemed to be specifically designed for 28mbar/butane or 37mbar/propane with a different fridge-model variation being specified for 30mbar. I asked Electrolux(HQ) what the significant differences were between the two models, but never found out. (Contact a UK Electrolux agent.yeah, yeah, yeah!) Anyway, it seemed evident that the majority of gas appliances marketed for leisure vehicles were already designed to work satisfactorily within a fairly wide gas-pressure range, which is, presumably, why the 30mbar compromise standard could easily be adopted.
However, as I eventually decided not to bother modifying the Herald's gas system, I've no certain way of knowing whether changing to 30mbar would have had repercussions. When I used butane (at 28mbar) on the Herald, sooty deposits formed on the hob trivets and on the bases of cooking pans, but this stopped when I changed to propane (at 37mbar). My current Hobby has a 30mbar system and I normally use autogas. In the UK this is 100% propane, but in France it's a mix of propane and butane with (at least during summer) butane predominating. Whatever the nationality of the autogas, it doesn't produce 'sooting' on the Hobby's hob rings or on cooking-pan bases. That's just an observation and I don't think it necessarily proves anything.
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Don't forget that the 30mbar 'compromise' pressure relates solely to leisure vehicles. It doesn't apply to domestic appliances (room heaters, mobile home central heating, etc.) which still require a 28mbar or 37mbar regulator according to whether (respectively) butane or propane is used.
Introducing the next generation of portable gas heaters, our new stylish Heat Cube portable gas heater is perfect for taking the edge off through the colder months, giving you instant heat when you need it. Keeping your home warm and cosy is easy with the Heat Cube, it draws in the cold air and creates a warm air current, giving you even-room heating faster than other traditional electric heaters. Easy click The portability and ease of use of the Heat Cube makes it the perfect addition to your home during the cooler months, with its 'easy click' bottle connection you simply slide the Cube Gas bottle into position, press the top button to hear a 'click' and then switch it on. When you're ready for a new bottle you simply slide the back out of the heater.
The slide castors make it effortlessly portable so you can enjoy the instant warmth from the heater where you need it. When you buy a gas cylinder from us, you’ll be asked to pay for and agree to the Calor Cylinder Refill Agreement which legally states that the cylinder always remains the property of Calor Gas.
When it’s empty, you can simply exchange it for a pre-filled cylinder within the same category group, details of which can be found below. If however, you don’t want another cylinder, you can simply return the empty one in good condition and receive a partial refund on the cost of the refill agreement, which is worked out on a sliding scale. Full details of the Cylinder Refill Agreement can be found below so please spend a few minutes familiarising yourself with it to make sure that you understand exactly what the agreement covers and that you’re happy with the terms.
Cylinder Refill Agreement terms In these conditions, “Company” means Calor Gas Limited, and “CALOR Outlet” means any CALOR Centers, Dealers, Retailers, Stockists or other supply points approved by the Company. “CALOR” is the Registered Trademark of Calor Gas Limited. “Refill Agreement Charge” means the Refill Agreement Charge included in your order or where you are exchanging a cylinder this refers to the charge previously paid for the first issue of the cylinder(s). “User” means the customer named on the online order form who is party to a Cylinder Refill Agreement (“the Agreement”). Purpose of the Refill Agreement Charge In consideration for the Refill Agreement Charge, the Company agrees to refill the Calor Cylinder(s) (“Cylinder(s)”) included in your order with supplies of CALOR gas (“Gas”) during the currency of this Agreement. The Company will fulfill its obligation to refill the Cylinder by providing the User with a pre-filled Cylinder in exchange for the empty Cylinder, but reserves the right to refill the Cylinder by any other means.
A Cylinder(s) can only be exchanged for a similar replacement refill Cylinder(s) within the same category as the current Cylinder(s), otherwise a new Agreement is required. Please see our exchange policy for further details about exchanging Cylinder(s). Future supplies of Gas In entering into this Agreement the User also understands that he/she will pay additional sums at the prevailing rate for the Gas contained in the Cylinder and for all future supplies of Gas as and when the Cylinder is refilled in accordance with paragraph 1. Cylinders remain the property of the Company at all times and may only be filled by the Company The company makes the cylinder(s) available to the user as a means of safely transporting and storing the gas supplied. This agreement is not a rental agreement and it does not provide the user with title in the cylinder. The user will not part with possession or control of the cylinder(s) (other than to a CALOR outlet) nor claim to have any rights that conflict with this agreement, nor create or purport or attempt to create any agency or bailment in relation to the cylinder(s) or to the user’s obligations.
Use of Cylinders Cylinders may be used only as a container for Gas and not be sold, exchanged (other than for the Purpose of the Agreement), hired, assigned, transferred, mortgaged, lent, abandoned, nor damaged, decanted, filled or tampered with. The Company’s rights over the Cylinders The User is liable for the safe storage and use of Cylinder(s) and the safety of any equipment used with them but the Company may inspect or test Cylinder(s) and any fittings used with them at any time and remove and replace Cylinder(s) if defective, or for any other reason, but without the Company being under any obligation to do so. In any case of wilful damage or breach of this Agreement the Company may repossess Cylinder(s) immediately and the User by entering into this Agreement irrevocably authorises the Company or their agent to enter on the User’s property for these purposes and in that event this Agreement is terminated.
The Company may charge the User for loss of use of a Cylinder, in the event of loss or damage to the Cylinder but this charge shall not give the User any rights in the Cylinder. Unless the Company, at its discretion, decides otherwise, the User will forfeit any rights or benefits conferred upon this by this Agreement. Statutory obligations The Company will comply with all statutory and appropriate Code of Practice requirements in respect of Cylinders but this shall not mean that the Company has any obligation to maintain in good condition Cylinders which ate in the User’s possession. Termination by the User This Agreement remains in force for 50 years.
The User may terminate this Agreement by returning the Cylinder(s) in good order to a CALOR Outlet nominated for this purpose and shall be entitled on presenting this Agreement to a refund of a proportion of the Refill Agreement Charge as follows: 1 year old 70% refund 2 year old 60% refund 3 year old 50% refund 4 year old 45% refund 5 year old 40% refund 6 year old 35% refund 7 years old 30% refund Over 7 years 25% refund 8. Termination by the Company This Agreement may be terminated by the Company in the event of any act of insolvency or breach of this Agreement on the part of the User. Delivery Where a Cylinder is to be delivered to the User the Company may use an agent for this purpose. Other This Agreement is governed by and constructed in accordance with English Law. Wacom. VAT and any other applicable taxes will be charged at the appropriate rates. The handy diagram below is to help you understand which gas bottles you are eligible to exchange for your empty one.
It is free of charge, if you already have a Cylinder Refill Agreement. There are six gas bottle groups as shown below. You can exchange a gas bottle within the group, without having to pay for an extra Cylinder Refill Agreement.
If you wish to exchange your gas bottle, for a bottle in another group, then your purchase will be subject to an extra Cylinder Refill Agreement at an additional cost shown in table below. To exchange a gas bottle online, please visit the gas bottle section of our and your local Calor stockist will deliver your order, direct to your door.
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